Still, good to see you have calmed down Tom. Good lad.

You seem a bit angry; is there anything the matter Tom?

It seems your only argument which proves the independence of the paper is that you “dont (sic) give a shit” about it. It seems like you misread my opening post and now instead of admitting this, you are angrily rebuking what I’ve written without any evidence… except for your “99%” stat; is that another “Trib insta-poll?!”

Thanks for your time Tom. You have only proved what your apparent brother would never admit.

All the best,
Wayne.

The paper needs money > the paper rejects sponsorship, according to you > the paper “may not” have been making a profit after Christmas > it holds a table quiz. So why did it reject sponsorship, as you (falsely, let’s face it) claim, if it was not definitely running at a profit? Seems almost as though you are talking crap!

Right, I questioned whether you are naive or just stupid. You’ve proved to me that you are the latter. If you consider the relationship between UCD SU and Griffith College/Iarnroid Éireann to be the same thing, then you’re a moron. Next we’ll have James Atkinson claiming that joining UCD archery is as political a move as joining the KBC!

I argued about the paper’s independence. This obviously includes its relationship with UCD, as well as the UCD SU. Very simple really.

I’m extremely insecure, but I’m afraid it doesn’t make me incorrect Tom. Best of luck to you.

Secondly, the quiz was held after christmas, and the paper got profit at the end of the year, so not a contradiction as for all you know the paper may not have been making profit at that stage.

Thirdly, the griffith college comparison is confusing you, so il use another one. The interailing advert is just an advert. So is the SU advert. This has nothing to do with the papers independence, because as stated before the paper would be able survive without either. This has nothing to do with eithers affiliation with UCD as its just plain advertising.

Finally, as stated many times before yet you fail to understand, the paper would obviously survive without the SU. It does not rely on it. The question of it needing the universitys support for office etc, can be argued, but the SU would have nothing to do with this as its between the University and the paper only. This topic is greatly described by donie in the article.

Also my name actually is “Tom” short for Thomas, unlike you im not so insecure that i have to use a fake name to voice pointless criticisms about a topic you know nothing about. Now please stop writing stupid pointless comments.

The paper ran a profit and a table quiz, so you have completely contradicted yourself there.

Bringing up a lack of content about Griffith College is easily the most stupid thing I’ve ever read in any of the comments sections of either of the papers in the history of both papers having a presence on the internet. To attempt to claim that Griffith College and UCD SU have the same relationship with UCD and that taking money from the former is the same as taking money from the latter… the mind boggles, it really does. You’re either very stupid or utterly naive.

For the third time, the paper would not survive without UCD and UCD SU help. It’s plainly wrong to suggest anything otherwise. This theory of mine will be put to the test next year if/when UCD kicks The Trib out of their office in the Newman Building. Just to clarify, I really hope this does not happen. The Tribune’s journalism is, as I’ve said before, more independently-minded that The Observers without question.

To claim it’s independent “in the sense that it relies entirely on revenue generated from advertising -the paper receives no formal funding” is a cop-out. Even you might admit this “Tom.”

The Colllege Tribune newspaper is a University College Dublin’s (apparently) independent student newspaper. University College Dublin is arguably Ireland’s best university, with its main campus located at Belfield in (apparently) Dublin 4.

Griffith College is a third level institution independent of UCD (something which The ‘Trib’ could only dream of being!) on the South Circular Road. In fact, it has absolutely no affiliation with UCD, as far as I can see. Why they would write about a college they receive no funding from and of which none of their contributors are current students or alumni seems fairly obvious to me.

If The Tribune can get more money from other bodies elsewhere, why was it holding a Pub Quiz after Christmas this year? Surely they could initiate a bidding war which would bring in extra money for the paper, and thus prevent them from having to seek money from their contributors/the SU sabbats who were present at the quiz/the UCD students who attended the quiz?

I’m not acting like anything Tom. Factual statement one: The Tribune has its power, phone lines, and an office space paid for (for now) by UCD. UCD is funded, in part, through the money every student pays for the privilege (!) of being a UCD student.

Factual statement number two: The Tribune is paid for advertisement space by the UCD SU. The UCD SU is subsidised more or less entirely by the students of the university. Thus, for them to perpetuate the fallacy that this makes them an independent is disingenuous at best.

To reiterate what I wrote earlier on, few could question the journalistic independence of the Trib, especially when it comes to SU matters. That’s not the issue I raised however. Hopefully this makes it as simple as possible.

If it can get advertising elsewhere, which it obviously cannot, then surely that would look far better. That said however, I believe there was a half a page of memes atop a story about suicide in the most recent edition. Maybe the editor(s) is more dense than I am giving him credit for!