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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-234&quot;&gt;Sinead&lt;/a&gt;.

Redmond appeared in &#039;that&#039; infamous photo - but he claims that he has never actually been a member of Fianna Fail, and that FF would confirm this.

You can hear him state this in an audio interview available at - http://www.studentnews.ie/my-discussion-with-gary-redmond-1835

While conducting research for an article, Phoenix magazine contacted both FF and Ogra FF in UCD to see if Redmond had been member, but found no proof - http://free-education.info/phoenix-article-on-usi-president-gary-redmond/

If you have evidence to the contrary, you should send it to this site.

As for the FF mentality, I agree entirely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-234">Sinead</a>.</p>
<p>Redmond appeared in &#8216;that&#8217; infamous photo &#8211; but he claims that he has never actually been a member of Fianna Fail, and that FF would confirm this.</p>
<p>You can hear him state this in an audio interview available at &#8211; <a href="http://www.studentnews.ie/my-discussion-with-gary-redmond-1835" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.studentnews.ie/my-discussion-with-gary-redmond-1835</a></p>
<p>While conducting research for an article, Phoenix magazine contacted both FF and Ogra FF in UCD to see if Redmond had been member, but found no proof &#8211; <a href="http://free-education.info/phoenix-article-on-usi-president-gary-redmond/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://free-education.info/phoenix-article-on-usi-president-gary-redmond/</a></p>
<p>If you have evidence to the contrary, you should send it to this site.</p>
<p>As for the FF mentality, I agree entirely.</p>
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		By: Sinead		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sinead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-230&quot;&gt;Gary&lt;/a&gt;.

Gary Redmond is currently not a member of Fiaana Fail as he understands what the implications are to his position in the student &quot;movement.&quot;
He has however, held membership of FF, and retains the FF mentality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-230">Gary</a>.</p>
<p>Gary Redmond is currently not a member of Fiaana Fail as he understands what the implications are to his position in the student &#8220;movement.&#8221;<br />
He has however, held membership of FF, and retains the FF mentality.</p>
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		By: Sinead		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sinead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-225&quot;&gt;chiefwriter&lt;/a&gt;.

So they have just plucked the €5000 figure from the air, then?

I entirely agree with the above comments from Gary. Fees will not go up to €5000, this is only a tactic. It is inevitable that fees will be increased in the upcoming budget and USI and various larger SU&#039;s across the country will claim that they have been victorious in defeating the potential €5000 sum. USI and UCDSU have been quite irrelevant and have played an almost nonexisting role in the government&#039;s decision to hike up the reg fee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-225">chiefwriter</a>.</p>
<p>So they have just plucked the €5000 figure from the air, then?</p>
<p>I entirely agree with the above comments from Gary. Fees will not go up to €5000, this is only a tactic. It is inevitable that fees will be increased in the upcoming budget and USI and various larger SU&#8217;s across the country will claim that they have been victorious in defeating the potential €5000 sum. USI and UCDSU have been quite irrelevant and have played an almost nonexisting role in the government&#8217;s decision to hike up the reg fee.</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pointing out that what you said is factually incorrect - you stated that Redmond is a member of Fianna Fail, he is not.

It&#039;s clear that his general politics are not too far from Fianna Fail, but you can either criticize him on the basis of things he has done &#038; said (rational argument), or criticize him on the basis of something which is entirely false (irrational, straw man argument).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pointing out that what you said is factually incorrect &#8211; you stated that Redmond is a member of Fianna Fail, he is not.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear that his general politics are not too far from Fianna Fail, but you can either criticize him on the basis of things he has done &amp; said (rational argument), or criticize him on the basis of something which is entirely false (irrational, straw man argument).</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-231</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i suppose the above poster thinks sean gallagher isnt a fianna failer either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i suppose the above poster thinks sean gallagher isnt a fianna failer either.</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
		<link>https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-230</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-229&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

Gary Redmond is not a member of Fianna Fail]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-229">John</a>.</p>
<p>Gary Redmond is not a member of Fianna Fail</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it a co-incidence that Brendan Lacey and Gary Redmond are going gung ho against fees, because the party that they hold membership of- Fianna Fail is no longer in government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it a co-incidence that Brendan Lacey and Gary Redmond are going gung ho against fees, because the party that they hold membership of- Fianna Fail is no longer in government.</p>
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		By: Ned		</title>
		<link>https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-228</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 09:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What an appalling prospect for students and their families. We have the absolute scandal in this country, of a Labour party who have betrayed their values and their convictions in order to prop up Fianna Fail mark 2. 

James Connolly would be turning in his grave, what a shambolic shower of IMF collaborators his party have become, shame on Ruari Quinn and Eamon Gilmore. It is of course very important that students know this. IF fees are increased, we will not see one cent of this increased revenue pumped into our universities, the reason the government needs your money is to pay off the banking debt THEY created. They are masquerading behind a concept that universities are underfunded, they are underfunded because the government is squandering money on banks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an appalling prospect for students and their families. We have the absolute scandal in this country, of a Labour party who have betrayed their values and their convictions in order to prop up Fianna Fail mark 2. </p>
<p>James Connolly would be turning in his grave, what a shambolic shower of IMF collaborators his party have become, shame on Ruari Quinn and Eamon Gilmore. It is of course very important that students know this. IF fees are increased, we will not see one cent of this increased revenue pumped into our universities, the reason the government needs your money is to pay off the banking debt THEY created. They are masquerading behind a concept that universities are underfunded, they are underfunded because the government is squandering money on banks.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The €5000 figure is complete nonsense, it is being spun by USI to build up an anticpation that the fee incrase will be bigger than it is, so it looks like USI have secured a victory when the increase is to €2500. They used the same trick last year when they claimed that a 3000 registration fee was on the way in, which in the end turned out to be a an increase to 2000. USI are masters at spin and self promotion but not in standing up for their members.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The €5000 figure is complete nonsense, it is being spun by USI to build up an anticpation that the fee incrase will be bigger than it is, so it looks like USI have secured a victory when the increase is to €2500. They used the same trick last year when they claimed that a 3000 registration fee was on the way in, which in the end turned out to be a an increase to 2000. USI are masters at spin and self promotion but not in standing up for their members.</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-220&quot;&gt;Sarah&lt;/a&gt;.

USI policy is to campaign for free education, and against fees in all forms.

If USI want to change that policy, they should hold referenda in the constituent organisations, and let the membership decide.

Lets face it - USI has effectively dropped the campaign for free education. They are actively campaign on the basis that students should pay €2,000 to go to college.

As for the potential €5,000 - it&#039;s a tactic that&#039;s been used almost every time they hike the reg fee/student contribution.

Here&#039;s the standard kite-flying strategy:

The government &#038; USI float an enormous figures in the media, to friends, online etc.

Fees are increased (to about half of the floated figure).

USI then claims this as a victory - their campaigning has been successful in reducing the prosposed hike (although fees have increased, and students are worse off).

It also allows the junior party in government (Labour, lke the Greens before them), to claim that they did all they could - that the hike would have been even worse if they weren&#039;t in coalition with a big nasty party like FG or FF.

Everyones a winner - USI and the government - except students who actually have to pay the fee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-220">Sarah</a>.</p>
<p>USI policy is to campaign for free education, and against fees in all forms.</p>
<p>If USI want to change that policy, they should hold referenda in the constituent organisations, and let the membership decide.</p>
<p>Lets face it &#8211; USI has effectively dropped the campaign for free education. They are actively campaign on the basis that students should pay €2,000 to go to college.</p>
<p>As for the potential €5,000 &#8211; it&#8217;s a tactic that&#8217;s been used almost every time they hike the reg fee/student contribution.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the standard kite-flying strategy:</p>
<p>The government &amp; USI float an enormous figures in the media, to friends, online etc.</p>
<p>Fees are increased (to about half of the floated figure).</p>
<p>USI then claims this as a victory &#8211; their campaigning has been successful in reducing the prosposed hike (although fees have increased, and students are worse off).</p>
<p>It also allows the junior party in government (Labour, lke the Greens before them), to claim that they did all they could &#8211; that the hike would have been even worse if they weren&#8217;t in coalition with a big nasty party like FG or FF.</p>
<p>Everyones a winner &#8211; USI and the government &#8211; except students who actually have to pay the fee.</p>
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		By: chiefwriter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-224&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

That is the article. €5,000 is the figure the Students&#039; Union in UCD and the USI have told us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-224">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>That is the article. €5,000 is the figure the Students&#8217; Union in UCD and the USI have told us.</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-223&quot;&gt;chiefwriter&lt;/a&gt;.

Was it this article http://www.independent.ie/education/features/as-standards-tumble-are-college-fees-a-certainty-2902853.html ??

Because the only reference properly to €5000 there is &quot;One senior university manager told the Irish Independent that fees of around €5,000 a year were needed to put universities on a sound footing.&quot; That&#039;s a statement from a university &quot;manager&quot;, not someone in Government....... Is this figure just a way to allow an increase to €3000 to be shown as a victory??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-223">chiefwriter</a>.</p>
<p>Was it this article <a href="http://www.independent.ie/education/features/as-standards-tumble-are-college-fees-a-certainty-2902853.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.independent.ie/education/features/as-standards-tumble-are-college-fees-a-certainty-2902853.html</a> ??</p>
<p>Because the only reference properly to €5000 there is &#8220;One senior university manager told the Irish Independent that fees of around €5,000 a year were needed to put universities on a sound footing.&#8221; That&#8217;s a statement from a university &#8220;manager&#8221;, not someone in Government&#8230;&#8230;. Is this figure just a way to allow an increase to €3000 to be shown as a victory??</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-222&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Mark, the €5000 figure comes from an article in the Irish Independent during the week. Although the Independent did not quote a government member, the USI told us that their own sources within government have said that  a dramatic increase could occur. Donie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.collegetribune.ie/students-will-march-for-freeze-in-fees/#comment-222">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>Mark, the €5000 figure comes from an article in the Irish Independent during the week. Although the Independent did not quote a government member, the USI told us that their own sources within government have said that  a dramatic increase could occur. Donie.</p>
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